Monday, October 20, 2014

Horned Prophets (4) Rick Joyners Dream

In a recent series of posts I wrote about Prophets with Horns. I am beginning to wonder if Rick Joyner fits in this category. He supported the United States invasion of Iraq in 2003.

The lawlessness that is growing throughout the world would result in such chaos and destruction that things would be much worse if the United States does not become more assertive in its leadership. Now there are also major threats to us that in the United States that must be found and dealt with (Rick Joyner).
Last month he released a dream in a way that confirms this concern.

Gates of Hell Dream
In September, Rick Joyner saw a dream in which the gates of hell were opened. He saw numerous gangs of evil people entering the United States and killing thousands of people. The violence and cruelty was horrific. Their aim was to create pain and terror in the hearts of the people being killed. They raped and tortured with diabolical cruelty. Then they killed the victims in the most cruel, diabolical way imaginable. The ranking within the gangs was based on the extent of their cruelty. It spread like a plague across the south western states. It was like the bowels of hell had been opened.

Citizens were outraged. There were a huge outrage against the federal government. In some states, all federal employees had to flee for their lives. Many states rejected federal authority over their state.

Militias popped up like mushrooms all over the country. People said, “If the government is not going to protect us, we will protect ourselves.” In their mind, there was no federal government, so they were defending themselves. They looked upon the federal government as an enemy that was trying to do them. They bonded into groups to defend their neighbourhoods. These militias will stop the plague.

In his account, Rick Joyner mixes his interpretation in with the details of the dream. This is not good practice. He also includes some things that he did not see, which is unwise. He brings in events from Australia which are not relevant.

Literal Interpretation
Rick Joyner interpreted the dream literally. He saw the problem as cruel terrorist groups crossing the southern border into the United States. His solution is for the Federal government to seal the borders and keep the bad people out. He urged Christians vote to change the leadership, so the government wakes up and protect the borders. He believes that the government can prevent this event happening.

I believe that Rick Joyner took a physical interpretation of the dream, because he is a horned prophet, who believes in war as a solution the problems of the world. He believes that the federal government can use military power to seal the border and prevent the dream from being fulfilled.

Joyner’s solution will not work. It is impossible to seal the border of a nation against evil people while allowing travel and trade to continue, especially in a nation with a border as long as the United States. People who really want to get in will always find a way to get across the border. No matter how strong the federal government and how much military force it throws at the border, it cannot seal the border.

Border Raiders
The physical interpretation of the dream does not work. The history of the children of Israel in the Promised Land shows that military solutions do not work, because they do not deal with the problem. When the nation was being invaded by evil people, it was not a sign that the military leaders were not doing their job. It was a sign that the people had offended God by pursuing evil.
After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another generation grew up who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel. Then the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord and served the Baals. They forsook the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who had brought them out of Egypt. They followed and worshiped various gods of the peoples around them. They aroused the Lord’s anger because they forsook him and served Baal and the Ashtoreths. In his anger against Israel the Lord gave them into the hands of raiders who plundered them. He sold them into the hands of their enemies all around, whom they were no longer able to resist. Whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the Lord was against them to defeat them, just as he had sworn to them. They were in great distress (Judges 2:10-15).
Whenever raiders are coming across the border and plundering the people, it is because the people have forgotten God and are worshipping idols. The solution is not to go to war, because that will fail. The only solution that will work is repentance and faith.

Raiders across the border are not a problem to be resolved with military power. The are a sign that the United States has a spiritual problem. This is why Rick Joyner’s literal interpretation of his dream, does not work. Tomorrow I will give a spiritual interpretation that is more consistent with the scriptures.


Anonymous said...

The context of this is the conflict regarding illegal immigration in the US, one in which rank lawlessness is not only abetted but promoted by those in the highest positions. I recently lived in the Southwest, and unquestionably the flood of illegal immigration has promoted every sort of crime, plus the drain on public services due to people who do not pay taxes receiving all manner of government benefits. The educational system has been especially hard-hit; I am a teacher, and I saw educational standards plummet because of language issues and the flood of students whose families pay no taxes to support the system, because they are in the country illegally. The Obama administration, instead of enforcing the law, systematically opposes its enforcement and in fact actively promotes illegal immigration, settling illegal inhabitants not just in the border regions but throughout the US, like colonists. I now live near the Canadian border, and we are seeing the consequences even at this remove. When I lived in the Middle East, before my time in Arizona, I met an Arab taxi driver who owed his excellent English to the five years he had spent in the US, having entered illegally through Mexico. The implications of this are considerable, in an age of terrorism and potential epidemics. It's not a question of sealing the border perfectly, which can't be done; it's a question of even making a meaningful effort. Legitimate travel and trade were just fine back when the borders were being policed. I'm not familiar with Joyner, but I know that most security-minded people ask only that existing laws be enforced as they were before it became fashionable to treat all forms of lawfulness as "racist" and "hate-based." Unquestionably, none of this would have happened if the US had not lost its way spiritually, largely as a result of complete antinomianism; even most Christians are on some level hostile to rules of almost any kind. The President encourages the trend toward treating those in favor of border control as "haters" and racists. Ultimately it is a spiritual problem, but on a practical level we need to be enforcing the law and policing the border with resources that are readily available but not in use because of ideology. It's not a question of war any more than traffic laws are a question of war. The federal government is only being asked to do what it is legally obligated to do, and it refuses.

August said...

While the media talks about children coming across the border, a lot of south American young men are coming- many already have gang tattoos, and most likely have some obligation to whoever helped them migrate all the way up here.
But this prophet in question uses the word 'terrorist?' The whole idea of Muslim terrorists coming through Mexico is absurd- they have an easier time of it just travelling directly to America. Mexico is actually more restrictive than the U.S.

Ron McK said...

That does not justify the prophecy.